Chroma Beads for Bananas?

[Perryl]

I vote NO
Reason: There is already vast amounts of Chroma Beads in the game, it is easier to obtain now which keeps cash flowing throughout the community. If a donator would really want to pay for chroma beads they can buy other items on the shop and sell or trade for chroma beads in the game.

This is a good point, also, in Regenesis obtaining Chroma becomes even easier.

[Perryl]

Voted yes , simply cuz its a consumable , it doesn't matter if a bit more of it is pumped into the economy , I gets taken off market and consumed at an even greater speed .

It's good to see somebody that voted yes actually giving an input. The community seems to be very split on this, but only those who are against it are voicing any opinion, so they're the only ones being heard.

[Perryl]

This poll is a big joke.

Perryl are you aware about daily rewards?? We only
Get 1 kirin sigil a day, wdf is tht?

And u made a poll abt chromas in banana shop? Genius
  Hell no. Pls dont do this.

We need more kirin sigil per day.

1 Kirin Sigil per day is 7 per week. You also get enough jaden daily to buy them daily, you also can buy them with gold daily, with gold you are given free daily, you also get shards for multiple other sigils, and full jade and dragon sigils from places too.

This complaint (which only comes from you btw) is ignored for a reason. Most people get more than 1 Kirin a day, and you've already been told this.

However, many people do complain about the Dragon Sigil drops, they were supposed to be replaced by Harmony Rune, but it's not fixed yet. I broke it somehow when I customized it, and I can't test it on our test server because it's set up for Regen.

Wow im not the only one complaining abt this. alot of people got problem on this too but they dont tell you because 100% sure they'll be ignored. im glad u diddnt ignore me.

1 kirin, 360j, 10k (mth) a day. WOW so 7 kirin a week is enough? we lost draogn sigil drops and now we only get 1 kirin a day? why only 1? do you know how hard to refine? 50pcs +10s is not sure for 1 +14piece of gear.
I dont want to be selfish or think that u did this on purpose so more peeps will donate for sigils coz i know that you guys need $ too to run this wonderful server.

WE want enough daily rewards like more kirin sigils a day. Like back then.
YOu did this so we can work really hard coz this is not easy server and some max out people dont log in anymore coz they are already max out.. so what abt us?

Im not qqing or fighting with you, im jsut saying that we need more kirin sigils a day. MD economy is fucked up, its  a PVE>PVP server now man. i can make a poll abt this server for being a lonely server and people will vote YEA.

People said this srv will revive in rege... lets see.

A lot of people have told you, multiple times, that they get more than one per day. I don't know why you only get 1. Maybe you're only guaranteed one? So maybe one day you got one and you say for every day you get one? I don't know.

"1 kirin, 360j, 10k (mth) a day. WOW so 7 kirin a week is enough? we lost draogn sigil drops and now we only get 1 kirin a day? why only 1? do you know how hard to refine? 50pcs +10s is not sure for 1 +14piece of gear. "

Actually your rewards per day are;
4 votes at 120 jaden per vote = 480 jaden, or, like you said, minimum 360 from 3 votes, since not everyone can make 4. Currently also double jaden, this means 640 jaden, but even from 360. 5 kirins is 650, or 10 is 1100. If you save, like most do. It will take you 3 days to have enough for a 10 pack of kirins. This means you can get 20 per week from jaden alone, if single vote, and miss one vote per day.
If you are online all day you will receive 48 jaden. This works out to 336 more jaden per week to add to the 2520 per week you earn if you miss one vote per day, for a total of 2856 jaden. Almost enough for 30 Kirins, definitely enough for 20, and leaves you enough to spend on other random things you might need.
You get 5 kirin sigil shards per day from VIP Awards, this works out to 35 per week, or, 3.5 Kirins per week.
You get 50 monkey coins from VIP Awards, which is 350 per week.
6 Celestial Coupon from VIP Awards which is 42 per week.
10 Treasured Copper Coins from VIP Awards which is 70 per week.
We'll just ignore the lottos and seal orbs, and the stuff you can get from them, and the gold that can be made from them ,and the kirins that can be bought with that gold, or the jadens that can be bought with that gold and then the kirins bought from the market with it. We'll just ignore that. We'll also ignore how many of these items are tradeable from alts too.
After maxing out exploration, which costs about 20 Jaden, you get;
1125 Chroma Beads which works out to 7875 per week.
525 Monkey Coins which works out to 3675 per week.
3 Jade Sigils, which works out to 21 per week. (might switch these to Dragons though)
Chance for up to 15 Kirin Sigil Shards at a success rate of 30%, which works out to about 30 shards per week.
The chance to win up to 21 MCP per day from Exploration, which is 147 per week at max, but with the various rates you likely earn a minimum of 20 per week. (I like to estimate low when doing these kinds of calculations, just to show you how grossly wrong you are. )
Like I said, we'll ignore the seal orbs and stuff you can sell to get money to buy kirins or jaden for kirins.
Next we will mention the 8 kirin sigil shards that come in the first 3 Fealty packs, there is 1,2, or 5 depending on which box. For a total of 56 per week.
You also get Monkey Coins in those boxes too. A total of 140 per day, that's another 980 per week.
20 Celestial Coupons, which works out to 140 per week.
2200 Chroma Beads per day, which is 15400 per week.
A chance at each of the higher sigil shards, which we'll just ignore... and 2k gold, which is 14k per week.. ignore that too.. and the tanis ka charms, soul inverters and whatnot, ignore those too.
Next we have MTH rewards;
A drake sigil shard = 7 per week
10k gold = 70k per week
20 monkey coins = 140 per week
2000 chroma beads = 14000 per week
20 banana peels = 140 per week
Now CP rewards;
1000 Chroma Beads = 7k per week
1k gold = 7k per week
50 monkey coins = 350 per week
30 banana peels = 210 per week
1 drake sigil shard = 7 per week
Let's ignore things like events and event rewards, buying and selling, and all the farming you can do per day. Let's only focus on these rewards I just listed.
The weekly totals are;
2520 jaden + whatever online jaden (up to 336) = 20 Kirins plus enough jaden to buy other things you need.
121 Kirin Sigil Shards = 12 Kirins.
14 Drake Sigil Shards = 1.4 per week.
5495 Monkey Coins per week. = 3.66 Kirins per day alternatively you can spend them on Treasured Copper Coins and buy lottos and win them too. 5495 Monkey Coins is enough for 1099 Treasured Copper Coins. Which is enough for 1099 lottos that potentially give Kirins, and also give other items you can sell for gold and buy Kirins.
The rest of the stuff doesn't even need to be calculated because you've already been proven wrong just from Kirin Sigil Shards alone. Not to mention you get enough Drake Sigil Shards to get a full +11 in a month just from doing CP and MTH only and logging in for online rewards.
Which I didn't even consider the online rewards you get for just being online.... and this thing called teamwork.. You know.. where alliance members help eachother obtain the things they need?
I never even calculated or considered the amount of stuff you can get from drops. Nor did I consider boss event drops, other events, or the other consumables you can sell to get Kirins.

If all you care about is kirins you can easily obtain 35 Kirins per week and still have enough Jaden and Monkey Coins left over to do other things.

Also, some other things to note. We have almost the exact same amount of online players as we did 'back then' minus the amount that should be gone from repeatedly banning them. We rank the same place as we did before on the top 100 server, and apparently people still think we're the best server. I'm not trying to boast, but your final words about the server coming back to life is just nonsense. The server hasn't died, and we don't intend on it dying. However, I do agree that Regen will increase the overall population, but it won't be because of Kirins. lol.

[Manouek]

No one said kirins will save the population.

Why cant we get the old exploration rewards and vip?
We used to get enough kirins per day, i know because i played md from the start.
It used to be 5-6 then now its 1-2? With lose limited kirins a day we should get a higher refinery rate.
The srv looks like a midrate now.

Dont include jadens to buy kirins. Im talking about the
Daily rewards from vip/map
Exploration.if we include jadens to buy kirins to refine, how about our dragon,jade, bronze sigil, skyline/jasper etc?? Did you include that? Im talking about free kirin rewards


Too much pve starting when you  removed the dragon sigil drops and made mcp untradable.
Theres too much limitation in pvp today.

We want more kirin shards in vip/exploration.

[Perryl]

No one said kirins will save the population.

Why cant we get the old exploration rewards and vip?
We used to get enough kirins per day, i know because i played md from the start.
It used to be 5-6 then now its 1-2? With lose limited kirins a day we should get a higher refinery rate.
The srv looks like a midrate now.

Dont include jadens to buy kirins. Im talking about the
Daily rewards from vip/map
Exploration.if we include jadens to buy kirins to refine, how about our dragon,jade, bronze sigil, skyline/jasper etc?? Did you include that? Im talking about free kirin rewards


Too much pve starting when you  removed the dragon sigil drops and made mcp untradable.
Theres too much limitation in pvp today.

We want more kirin shards in vip/exploration.

MCP were always untradeable. You had to EXPLOIT A BUG to make them tradeable. I fixed the bug, that is all.

Dragon Sigil drops were NEVER MEANT TO STAY FOREVER, because there are OTHER VERSIONS like HARMONY RUNE and BANANA PEELS, and still yet others that have not yet been added.

You also get free shards for dragon, jade, and bronze. In the post I just made I mentioned all of these things.

Higher refinery rate? sigh.

This server was never made for people who want an instant to pvp server, ever. The rates got over-inflated for a couple of months. If you played from the start you should know this. You can get a full +10 set in the same time it takes for you to be able to finish your tiers and chroma and stuff. You can have a full +11 set in a month without doing anything except online rewards, and without using all the kirins you would get. You would have so many chances to sjade to +11 before even getting a Drake sigil.. lol. So it's not hard to have +11 in your first week of being here. Plenty of people get +14 in just a couple of months.

This server was NEVER intended to give you an instant to endgame experience. It was developed in a way that you can get close to endgame very quickly, and then you are forced to work for your build from that point on. This has always been the case. We have always pushed for more people running more instances, we want more people doing CP, MTH, DL, etc. But all you guys ever want to do is abuse shit. Make DL for one person only so you can hog everything to yourself, when the drops are already increased based on there being 6 people expected to be in there.. wtf? This is all anyone does. with every instance, with every event, with everything. This is why GMs starting putting skins on the bosses. OPs would just all run to the Elysium bosses and others would only be able to kill Aoko, and then you guys say shit like 'only spawn ely bosses then'. Constant greed is all I see.

You're the same person who wants jaden increased 5 x what it is now, and wants everything else given as easy as possible. There are servers that do this, and as people like you have been told many times before, you're welcome to go play those ones instead. I am not going to make this server an instant to op server.

[Pistol]

Chroma beads are the only thing in this game that need to be worked on, farmed, and takes time. and to be honest, adding it to cash shop will create a big margin between ppl who donates and those who don't. simply server will be more likely "Donate to PvP/Play" or whatever you call it.


and that's only my opinion about it. Let me know what do you think.



 ~Prowler.

[Perryl]

Chroma beads are the only thing in this game that need to be worked on, farmed, and takes time. and to be honest, adding it to cash shop will create a big margin between ppl who donates and those who don't. simply server will be more likely "Donate to PvP/Play" or whatever you call it.


and that's only my opinion about it. Let me know what do you think.



 ~Prowler.

Good points, and I do somewhat agree.

My main concern with adding it is that it would create too much of a 'pay-to-win' element.

[Pimap]

I really don't mind this b/c it would just make more PvP for me being an 81 chroma player, that might be a little selfish and it would deff increase the prices of chroma beads. So I could see how Non-81 Chroma players who can't spend $ would feel so for them I voted no.

You think the price for them in-game would increase?

I mean, my hope was to try and keep them close to the same, maybe make them drop a tiny bit. I don't really see why they would increase in price though. If anything they would decrease, right? More supply should equal less demand which would result in lower prices.

Well no one would spend real money if its not worth it in terms of gold correct? Currently 1$ is about 100k so why would  someone willingly pay anything more than that for a stack of chroma and if ppl were to do that they would want a higher price, since there are not many ppl farming enough chroma people would be forced to buy from these over priced sellers.

[Perryl]

I really don't mind this b/c it would just make more PvP for me being an 81 chroma player, that might be a little selfish and it would deff increase the prices of chroma beads. So I could see how Non-81 Chroma players who can't spend $ would feel so for them I voted no.

You think the price for them in-game would increase?

I mean, my hope was to try and keep them close to the same, maybe make them drop a tiny bit. I don't really see why they would increase in price though. If anything they would decrease, right? More supply should equal less demand which would result in lower prices.

Well no one would spend real money if its not worth it in terms of gold correct? Currently 1$ is about 100k so why would  someone willingly pay anything more than that for a stack of chroma and if ppl were to do that they would want a higher price, since there are not many ppl farming enough chroma people would be forced to buy from these over priced sellers.

If this were true nobody would ever buy anything except sigils and changes from the marketplace. You are basing that value off of only those two items. However, everything on the shop gets purchased. I believe jaden is the most common purchase. if 5 dollars is worth 300 jaden then 5 dollars is worth 90k gold, unless you calculate in double donations, which is often enough that most people only purchase during them, in which case it's $2.50 working out to 90k gold. Either way, a lot more money to buy a lot less gold than you think. Not everybody can afford the lump sum donation of purchasing a flux sigil just to sell it for in-game gold, and same with changes.

If 1 dollar worked out to 100k gold then it would be 333 jaden for 10 bananas. I'm not even going over all of this again, there is a long post just two posts ago that goes over this exact point in a lot of detail. The pricing you are basing it on is inflated, and only suggests that the prices for changes and sigils should go up, or that all other items should go down. This is not very good for the balance between donator and non-donator.

[Lucy]

Hell yeah Yes is going to win.. And soory for not explaining, why exatcly i voted Yes. Becouse there was sooo many people newbie/mid players who wanted to make this live.. I really got no regrets if i say Yes atleast some people will be happy, i know so many players that are alrdy maxed but still are greedy and want to make buisness as always. :3 I dont need Chroma Beads all my chars maxed. And soory if i made someone sad that i voted Yes.. Evry people got its reason to Vote Yes or No.. Nobody else can force you to say Yes or No its your free will.

Have Fun Evryone.
With Love, your lovely Yuno :* <3

[mrdoll]

I voted NO. And my reason is that the chroma is the last thing that poor ppl from poor country almost could keep up. I'm one of those ppl. My only source of gold is grinding. I grind 24/7 for chroma and wls to sell them and buy +12, 13 or 14 sigils. (BTW Perry, I w8 for that chroma stacks)

I voted NO cuz chroma is one of the last things that force players to grind some. I know that is a pvp based server, but force players to grind 2-3 h per day is a good thing. They will know how hard or easy is to get some things. And could evaluate them right. I saw a dialogue today in WC. A guy wanted to buy A LOT of WLS for 20g each. And not for resell, but for personal use. And he said that is ok for that price. Well, I say like the guy who contradict him in WC: that person had not grind 1h in his life and he don't know how hard/easy is to get WLS.

I voted NO cuz I'm a pve kind of player. I like to work for my gear and I hate when I see ppl coming in game today and in a week is 160/full geared/max everything. This kind of ppl will pvp 2-3 weeks, 1-2 months max and will quit after cuz of extreme boring. I like this game and I don't want to see it transformed in that kind of Metin 2 private servers where players get max everything in 2-3 hours, pvp 1-2 days and quit after. We vote every day, and every day I look in that site and see that number of "OUT's" is much bigger than "IN's". Lack of reasons to grind and stay in game will increase that difference.

Sincerely,
Jolie

PS: for exact same reasons I salute decreasing free kirin/drake rate and I agree that this lower rate is better than when we get 4-5 dragons and 2-3 kirins and drakes from exploration. LITTLE GRIND HAD NOT KILLED ANYONE!

[Mahnovets]

This poll is a big joke.

Perryl are you aware about daily rewards?? We only
Get 1 kirin sigil a day, wdf is tht?

And u made a poll abt chromas in banana shop? Genius
  Hell no. Pls dont do this.

We need more kirin sigil per day.

1 Kirin Sigil per day is 7 per week. You also get enough jaden daily to buy them daily, you also can buy them with gold daily, with gold you are given free daily, you also get shards for multiple other sigils, and full jade and dragon sigils from places too.

This complaint (which only comes from you btw) is ignored for a reason. Most people get more than 1 Kirin a day, and you've already been told this.

However, many people do complain about the Dragon Sigil drops, they were supposed to be replaced by Harmony Rune, but it's not fixed yet. I broke it somehow when I customized it, and I can't test it on our test server because it's set up for Regen.

Wow im not the only one complaining abt this. alot of people got problem on this too but they dont tell you because 100% sure they'll be ignored. im glad u diddnt ignore me.

1 kirin, 360j, 10k (mth) a day. WOW so 7 kirin a week is enough? we lost draogn sigil drops and now we only get 1 kirin a day? why only 1? do you know how hard to refine? 50pcs +10s is not sure for 1 +14piece of gear.
I dont want to be selfish or think that u did this on purpose so more peeps will donate for sigils coz i know that you guys need $ too to run this wonderful server.

WE want enough daily rewards like more kirin sigils a day. Like back then.
YOu did this so we can work really hard coz this is not easy server and some max out people dont log in anymore coz they are already max out.. so what abt us?

Im not qqing or fighting with you, im jsut saying that we need more kirin sigils a day. MD economy is fucked up, its  a PVE>PVP server now man. i can make a poll abt this server for being a lonely server and people will vote YEA.

People said this srv will revive in rege... lets see.

Hates do you really expect to get a +14 from just 50 +10s? It took me 200+ pieces of gear just to get my +14 boots, and i used a lot of +11 sigils too. Some people get lucky and get it really fast, but sometimes it takes a very long time. I suggest doing your best to vote every 6 hours, especially since it's double vote rewards atm, i was able to gather 20k jaden that way.

[Perryl]

I voted NO. And my reason is that the chroma is the last thing that poor ppl from poor country almost could keep up. I'm one of those ppl. My only source of gold is grinding. I grind 24/7 for chroma and wls to sell them and buy +12, 13 or 14 sigils. (BTW Perry, I w8 for that chroma stacks)

You've always been able to buy chroma technically anyways. Via MCP. Adding Chroma Bead to the marketplace shouldn't effect non-donators ability to keep up anymore than adding Treasured Copper Coin to the Monkey NPC did.

I voted NO cuz chroma is one of the last things that force players to grind some. I know that is a pvp based server, but force players to grind 2-3 h per day is a good thing. They will know how hard or easy is to get some things. And could evaluate them right. I saw a dialogue today in WC. A guy wanted to buy A LOT of WLS for 20g each. And not for resell, but for personal use. And he said that is ok for that price. Well, I say like the guy who contradict him in WC: that person had not grind 1h in his life and he don't know how hard/easy is to get WLS.

I agree that forcing players to grind a bit is a good thing. Like has been mentioned multiple times in this thread. It's not like the price is going to be low enough for people to easily max Chroma via donation.

I voted NO cuz I'm a pve kind of player. I like to work for my gear and I hate when I see ppl coming in game today and in a week is 160/full geared/max everything. This kind of ppl will pvp 2-3 weeks, 1-2 months max and will quit after cuz of extreme boring. I like this game and I don't want to see it transformed in that kind of Metin 2 private servers where players get max everything in 2-3 hours, pvp 1-2 days and quit after. We vote every day, and every day I look in that site and see that number of "OUT's" is much bigger than "IN's". Lack of reasons to grind and stay in game will increase that difference.

Sincerely,
Jolie

I don't think you understand how the out and in thing works on the site. Not sure that anyone really does. It's not saying that many people quit or anything. I think it might be that many votes were made that didn't count? Not sure really. It certainly doesn't mean what you think it does though, and I can definitely see why you would think that. I did too before I started working with the Monkey servers.
I don't think you can get to max everything in a week, whether we add Chroma Beads to the Banana Shop or not doesn't really effect that. At least, not without spending more money than anyone is going to spend. I know people from 'poor countries' tend to think that people from 'rich countries' can just come in and drop thousands of dollars in a day. Nobody has ever done that here that I know of.  Even in official servers it's not very common, though there it does actually happen.
Most people are of the opinion "I don't donate to pservers". I would never add something that would change the balance of the server to the extent you mentioned. As has also been said in this thread. You really should read the thread before commenting on things.

PS: for exact same reasons I salute decreasing free kirin/drake rate and I agree that this lower rate is better than when we get 4-5 dragons and 2-3 kirins and drakes from exploration. LITTLE GRIND HAD NOT KILLED ANYONE!

[Perryl]

This poll is a big joke.

Perryl are you aware about daily rewards?? We only
Get 1 kirin sigil a day, wdf is tht?

And u made a poll abt chromas in banana shop? Genius
  Hell no. Pls dont do this.

We need more kirin sigil per day.

1 Kirin Sigil per day is 7 per week. You also get enough jaden daily to buy them daily, you also can buy them with gold daily, with gold you are given free daily, you also get shards for multiple other sigils, and full jade and dragon sigils from places too.

This complaint (which only comes from you btw) is ignored for a reason. Most people get more than 1 Kirin a day, and you've already been told this.

However, many people do complain about the Dragon Sigil drops, they were supposed to be replaced by Harmony Rune, but it's not fixed yet. I broke it somehow when I customized it, and I can't test it on our test server because it's set up for Regen.

Wow im not the only one complaining abt this. alot of people got problem on this too but they dont tell you because 100% sure they'll be ignored. im glad u diddnt ignore me.

1 kirin, 360j, 10k (mth) a day. WOW so 7 kirin a week is enough? we lost draogn sigil drops and now we only get 1 kirin a day? why only 1? do you know how hard to refine? 50pcs +10s is not sure for 1 +14piece of gear.
I dont want to be selfish or think that u did this on purpose so more peeps will donate for sigils coz i know that you guys need $ too to run this wonderful server.

WE want enough daily rewards like more kirin sigils a day. Like back then.
YOu did this so we can work really hard coz this is not easy server and some max out people dont log in anymore coz they are already max out.. so what abt us?

Im not qqing or fighting with you, im jsut saying that we need more kirin sigils a day. MD economy is fucked up, its  a PVE>PVP server now man. i can make a poll abt this server for being a lonely server and people will vote YEA.

People said this srv will revive in rege... lets see.

Hates do you really expect to get a +14 from just 50 +10s? It took me 200+ pieces of gear just to get my +14 boots, and i used a lot of +11 sigils too. Some people get lucky and get it really fast, but sometimes it takes a very long time. I suggest doing your best to vote every 6 hours, especially since it's double vote rewards atm, i was able to gather 20k jaden that way.

He expects PHX.

[Yami]

Hell yeah Yes is going to win.. And soory for not explaining, why exatcly i voted Yes. Becouse there was sooo many people newbie/mid players who wanted to make this live.. I really got no regrets if i say Yes atleast some people will be happy, i know so many players that are alrdy maxed but still are greedy and want to make buisness as always. :3 I dont need Chroma Beads all my chars maxed. And soory if i made someone sad that i voted Yes.. Evry people got its reason to Vote Yes or No.. Nobody else can force you to say Yes or No its your free will.

Have Fun Evryone.
With Love, your lovely Yuno :* <3

Wow, nice explanation Yuno As always, i can feel your lovely heart, but your really evil o_0 if true.. But i love you just who you are... And i voted Yes Becouse i wanna see those people rage face who voted No And Lost!!... HAhahahhahah.